{"id":28868,"date":"2024-09-30T01:15:19","date_gmt":"2024-09-30T08:15:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?p=28868"},"modified":"2024-09-30T01:15:19","modified_gmt":"2024-09-30T08:15:19","slug":"using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2024\/09\/30\/using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-28869 size-full\" title=\"Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, part 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images.png\" alt=\"Images of Beth Barany and Randy Lubin for Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, Part 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images-1.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-28870 size-full\" title=\"Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, part 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images-1.png\" alt=\"Quote from Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin Part 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images-1.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Episode-120-Blog-Images-1-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"fittexted_for_content_h2\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, part 2 \u2013 How To Write the Future podcast episode 120<\/h2>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI know for me what I&#8217;m working on, especially at the beginning of creating a story I&#8217;m asking, because stories have to have escalating conflict, I ask: What is the worst thing that could happen now to my dear lovely character? And now what?What&#8217;s worse than that? And what&#8217;s worse than that? And that&#8217;s how I build my plot.\u201d<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8212; <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beth Barany<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In this episode of How To Write the Future podcast, host Beth Barany continues her interview with game designer and entrepreneur, Randy Lubin. They share resources for world-building, discuss the difference between \u201cdiegetic\u201d and \u201cdiegesis\u201d. Plus Randy shares tips on designing games.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen to part 1 where they discuss how games can be used as powerful tools for shaping the future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Platforms The podcast is available on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/120-using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2\/id1641025914?i=1000671259425\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061\/episodes\/15796995-120-using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Buzzsprout<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/2J1LjHLoh1TK4H0mlj5fL9\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/episode\/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzzsprout.com%2F2012061%2Fepisodes%2F15796995-120-using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2.mp3&amp;podcastId=4025186\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Podcast Addict<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/ca590618-5630-4450-aa17-7e2f35359a76\/episodes\/bf0b93c3-7ee3-401a-b836-0c6230ee7609\/how-to-write-the-future-120-using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/EhUS8ayCAKE?si=Csx1BuD-X2eXqkVc\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Youtube<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/EhUS8ayCAKE?si=Csx1BuD-X2eXqkVc\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061.js?container_id=buzzsprout-large-player&#038;player=large'><\/script><\/p>\n<h2><b>RESOURCES\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><b>Interview Part 1:\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2024\/09\/23\/using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2024\/09\/23\/using-games-to-design-our-futures-with-randy-lubin-part-1\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Randy Lubin\u2019s game: Premise: Setting, Character, Plot:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/randylubin.itch.io\/premise-setting-character-plot\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/randylubin.itch.io\/premise-setting-character-plot<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Dialect by Thorny Games:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/thornygames.com\/pages\/dialect\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/thornygames.com\/pages\/dialect<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>You&#8217;re Gonna Need a Bigger Story:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.superstory.works\/ourbooks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.superstory.works\/ourbooks<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>School of International Futures (SOIF):<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/soif.org.uk\/retreat\/soif-summer-foresight-retreat\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/soif.org.uk\/retreat\/soif-summer-foresight-retreat\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Association of Professional Futurists latest COMPASS magazine:<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.apf.org\/apf-resources\/compass\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.apf.org\/apf-resources\/compass<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Get your free World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Henrietta The Dragon Slayer, A short film (We\u2019re in post-production and fundraising!)<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/author.bethbarany.com\/henrietta-short-film\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/author.bethbarany.com\/henrietta-short-film\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About the How To Write the Future podcast\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The *How To Write The Future* podcast is for science fiction and fantasy writers who want to write positive futures and successfully bring those stories out into the marketplace. Hosted by Beth Barany, science fiction novelist and creativity coach for writers. We cover tips for fiction writers. This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for you if you have questions like:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I create a believable world for my science fiction story?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I figure out what&#8217;s not working if my story feels flat?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I make my story more interesting and alive?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>ABOUT RANDY LUBIN<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Randy-Lubin-Headshot-Randy-Lubin-1.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-28840 size-medium\" title=\"Image of Randy Lubin\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Randy-Lubin-Headshot-Randy-Lubin-1-300x279.png\" alt=\"Image of Randy Lubin\" width=\"300\" height=\"279\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Randy-Lubin-Headshot-Randy-Lubin-1-300x279.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/Randy-Lubin-Headshot-Randy-Lubin-1.png 381w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Randy Lubin is a game designer and entrepreneur. He makes foresight games that help organizations explore the future via his studio Leveraged Play. He also makes lighter consumer storytelling games through Diegetic Games.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Website:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/randylubin.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/randylubin.com\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">X:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/randylubin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/randylubin<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">LI:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/randylubin\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/randylubin\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Foresight games studio:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/leveragedplay.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/leveragedplay.com\/<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Consumer storytelling games:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/diegeticgames.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/diegeticgames.com\/<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Blog post on integrating foresight games into creative writing:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.randylubin.com\/foresight-workshop-games-creative-writing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/blog.randylubin.com\/foresight-workshop-games-creative-writing<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Transcript for Using Games to Design our Futures with Randy Lubin, part 2<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Hey everyone. Welcome back to How To Write the Future Podcast. I&#8217;m your host, Beth Barany. I am a creativity coach for writers, science fiction and fantasy writer, writing teacher, and filmmaker. Woo-hoo. More about that later.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:13] Part 2 Introduction\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In part two of my conversation with game designer, Randy Lubin, we talk about the importance of world-building and using games to shape optimistic futures. We also mentioned the concept of trailheads and the book, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;re Gonna Need a Bigger Story<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> to help you develop your expansive story universes. And Randy shares tips on designing games, including remixing existing games and how you can create positive scenarios using game frameworks. We also talk about using creative writing techniques in game design to create rich story driven experiences. Enjoy.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:57] More Resources for World Building: World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People love having these rubrics and starting places.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love what you called them trailheads. That&#8217;s so great. And I&#8217;ll just throw out there, share with you, but also our listeners, that I have a World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers that lists all these different areas of the world. And I&#8217;ve been starting to realize that, I could have like part two, part three.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So part two, I&#8217;ve already been daydreaming about.It&#8217;ll be a deeper dive into philosophy, religions, and that kind of thing, worldview. And then, book three or another addendum, or however it comes out would be games, activation games, trailheads, as you say, to give people like, here&#8217;s a way to expand this.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[01:35] About the book, You&#8217;re Gonna Need a Bigger Story<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And another resource for folks is the book, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;re Gonna Need a Bigger Story<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Have you seen that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I haven&#8217;t. Tell me about it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think you would love it. It&#8217;s an offshoot of Jaws. You&#8217;re gonna need a bigger boat, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So this is called, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;re Gonna Need a Bigger Story.<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And it comes out of these people who help, people create films. Think of Star Wars is a great example. Lucas, he didn&#8217;t just have one story. He had what? Seven stories, nine stories? He started with this huge world and then he said I&#8217;ll tell this story. It&#8217;s a way of mapping out your story world and also coming up with your mission, like what drives you as a creative to tell this huge story. And then working out the milestones and picking which stories are you gonna tell, and then thinking about, oh, this isn&#8217;t, maybe, a novel or a movie.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is a comic book or this is a song, or this is a game. So thinking about the minor stories, the things that can be told in other mediums.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Especially for science fiction and fantasy writers, it just opens up the story universe. And I&#8217;ve seen writers just light up when they read this book because it helps them realize that it&#8217;s not just one story they&#8217;re telling, that they&#8217;re in love with the whole story universe they&#8217;re creating.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it&#8217;s so helpful and it&#8217;s helped me all kinds of things. I already was doing that, but it also just helped me think so much broader.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I love that. I&#8217;ll definitely have to check that out.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I love how, by, by going big then even when you have the smaller story set within it, I&#8217;m almost certain that it&#8217;ll always feel like it&#8217;s part of a bigger world, a more cohesive world than it might have otherwise.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[3:08] &#8220;Paper Diegesis&#8221; &#8220;Diegetic&#8221; &#8220;Hyper Diegesis&#8221;<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> There&#8217;s a term I love called, &#8220;paper diegesis.&#8221; Is this a term you&#8217;re familiar, you&#8217;ve come across?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I&#8217;ve heard diegesis. Isn&#8217;t that how things came to be?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Diegetic<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, at least, and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">diegesis<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From what I&#8217;m familiar with, I think it&#8217;s used in different ways, in different contexts, but what I&#8217;m familiar with is something is <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">diegetic<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> if it&#8217;s happening within the story.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So if you&#8217;re watching a movie and, characters walking on the street and there&#8217;s sound coming outta the boombox, and you, the audience are hearing the music, but you&#8217;re hearing it from the boombox that&#8217;s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">diegetic<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> versus something that&#8217;s non diegetic would be like the, just the music&#8217;s playing is on the soundtrack, but none of the characters hear it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hyper diegesis<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is a term that refers to everything that is happening in universe that you&#8217;re not seeing on the screen or on the page, but is implied or inferred or just generative in that, players are connecting, you know, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">not<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> should I say players because I&#8217;m thinking from a game context. The audience is, connecting the dots.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Like there&#8217;s a classic example of this captured on film would be in the movie Clerks where they&#8217;re talking about are there independent contractors on the Death Star? And, should we feel bad that they&#8217;re gonna get killed when the Death Star gets blown up?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There&#8217;s nothing in the text of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Star Wars<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> that&#8217;s talking about the contractors, but because there&#8217;s such rich world building, you could naturally start thinking about- hold on a second. A really big space station. Clearly they couldn&#8217;t have built it without contractors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so anyway, I love thinking through from both like a game design standpoint and from authoring, like how do you build something that feels one: cohesive and: has enough little, again, trailheads, little terms, phrases, organizations that you maybe only see a little bit of but are very generative in, in an audience&#8217;s mind of oh, what? What does that imply?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Exactly. Yeah. That&#8217;s so great. And there&#8217;s a really great example from the Star Wars universe where I believe in book one or maybe book, not book one in the original Star Wars movie, or maybe an <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Empire Strikes Back<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, there&#8217;s a mention, one mention of the Clone Wars. One person says one sentence about the Clone Wars, and then now, and then look what they did. They created a whole series and it&#8217;s got all these characters.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So for the most Part, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Star Wars<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, George Lucas and the other story developers, have done this great job of taking all these offshoot stories and creating whole universes around them. And so this is something that I worked on very heavily actually with my young adult Adventure fantasy, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Henrietta The Dragon Slayer<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> series that I&#8217;m making a movie based on her continuing adventures.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But at the start of every single chapter, I have like here, I just opened randomly to chapter 15. I quote from two traders, people who trade overheard at the inn. So, embedded in this, sometimes songs, sometimes it&#8217;s poetry, sometimes it&#8217;s a little folklore. Sometimes it&#8217;s like a, here&#8217;s a report that was sealed. A sealed report, a song about Henrietta. Of course there&#8217;s song sung about her. Of course, she&#8217;s the hero.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And so I&#8217;m playing with all this lore that lives in that world that she knows and other people know. And sometimes she doesn&#8217;t know, but other people know it. And, It&#8217;s so much fun. And I play with that even in my science fiction world with news reports and weather reports and secret things and quotes from books that I invent. &#8216;Cause I&#8217;m playing with a new religion, like quotes from that religion and, all these things. So much fun. Yeah. Oh, that&#8217;s awesome. That&#8217;s great. Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[06:11] Tips on Designing Games<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And, so lastly, as we wrap up here, any tips for writers or anyone listening on designing games?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, so I&#8217;m a big believer that anyone can design a game and, that it&#8217;s never been easier to just start and jump in.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There&#8217;s a handful of tips I have in general.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The first I&#8217;d say is start by remixing something that you like. And there are some games out there that the authors have been explicit in like, Hey, please remix it. I released the original under a creative commons or open license, like you have my blessing. Go for it. But in even beyond that, I think that especially in the more indie game design scene, there&#8217;s just a rich culture of taking and remixing mechanics and other things too. I guess a few things to check out if you wanna go in that direction. There&#8217;s a game called For the Queen by Alex Roberts that is very simple, but extremely elegant in how it&#8217;s designed. At its core is a bunch of prompts.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So game design can really just be something very akin to creative writing. And so in that case, you have to do a little writing in terms of what&#8217;s the framing of what are the players doing?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And for the Queen, you&#8217;re going on a journey with the queen. All the players are the sort of coterie around the queen as she goes on this potentially fraught journey. And the game&#8217;s gonna end when you draw a card somewhere buried in the deck, that is the queen is under attack. Do you defend her? Everything between the beginning and that point is drawing prompt cards that are often very loaded.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s like the: Everybody thinks you&#8217;re beautiful, but the queen makes you feel ugly. Why? So like really interesting nuanced prompts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And Alex has been very clear that she&#8217;s very happy with people hacking and remixing the game to, to other settings, other types of things you can do with this prompt engine. And so that&#8217;s a great place to start.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Likewise there&#8217;s a rich tradition of single page or two page RPGs. One I would point to is <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lasers and Feelings<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, where you have two stats, or really one stat, your laser feelings, which is the higher it is, the better you are at laser-y things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The lower it is, the better you are at feelingsy things. And, and then there&#8217;s a little bit of extra stuff on the page around setting up sort of the scenario and the adventure. But that&#8217;s it. the whole game just fits on one page.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And that&#8217;s another one that is great for hacking and remixing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There&#8217;s dozens if not hundreds of games where people have played with those two stats.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I did one that was like a contemporary or near, near future or sci-fi one, like <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hackers and Hustlers<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> spoofing the Bay Area tech culture.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Really, so I&#8217;d say a great way to start is like, choose a genre you love, choose a simple game and remix that game to your genre. In writing, it&#8217;s good, really good to know. What are the existing tropes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In games, I think there&#8217;s something very similar to improv comedy also, where it&#8217;s totally okay to do the obvious thing. In fact, it&#8217;s often encouraged and you&#8217;re gonna have a really good time. The audience is gonna have a good time, in the case of improv, if you&#8217;re just doing the obvious thing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So in games, embracing like going onto to TV tropes and being like, what are the best tropes I can pull in that are relevant to this genre? And, in that case, these games can really be love letters to the media that you love.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And a way of getting, your yourself and others to play and tell stories of that same kind.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Oh, that&#8217;s fabulous. So, we&#8217;ll put &#8217;em in the show notes so folks can just grab it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And you&#8217;re really inspiring me to create a resource that is easy to just grab and use because what&#8217;s so great about this is it gives people starting points so they can just go off and start working on their stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[09:07] How can games help us create equitable and prosperous futures?\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And in terms of those of us who care about the future and shaping the future into a more, I&#8217;m gonna just say it, equitable and prosperous future for everybody and everything on this planet, all living creatures, how can games help us step into what some people might think is Pollyanna-ish?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8216;Cause there&#8217;s so much doom and gloom, so much doomsday.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">People have an easier time generally writing, dystopians than writing anything like a Thrutopia, which might be like exploring how we get from here to there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> How can games help us in this area? How can we use a frame? How do we set up a frame for that kind of scenario creating?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Totally. At the top of the show you talked about your love for optimistic features too. So games again are so great at exploring this &#8217;cause you as game designer can set the constraints and set in the scaffolding for it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So if you know you don&#8217;t want the game to go or fully explore like a doom and gloom scenario, you can just bake into to some of the core conceit of the games from the core framing, the positive aspects, the utopia end goal, or perhaps the mixed positives and negatives. And that&#8217;s planted in there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Everything else is up for grabs and the players can figure that out. And, through the mechanics, through the procedure as you&#8217;re going through the play, through the game, it could be about whether it&#8217;s further building out the world to justify: Okay,thi things are dire. We know that there&#8217;s a lot that needs to be worked on, but hey,we&#8217;re imagining these positive futures.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The humans are so good at justifying, rationalizing, filling in the blanks using like <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">apoenia<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> to pattern match. and so by putting again, those initial stakes into the ground of Hey, this stuff is good. Or we know this bad stuff that could happen isn&#8217;t gonna happen, then players will do naturally do a good job of saying, okay, cool. What else must be true? And start working backwards from there, start filling in the gaps.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I love that question.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What else must be true?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s very much akin to helping excavate belief patterns. If we had more efficient solar panels that we could put on every building in San Francisco, then what would that mean?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I often think about how every building in San Francisco could be generating its own energy if it captured wind and solar and actually mini water turbines too. Like with all this rain, why don&#8217;t we have these mini- turbines functioning? Every single building could be capturing its water and using water flowing down the sides of the buildings to generate its own electricity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What would it be like if every building, and I live in an apartment building, if our apartment building was self-generating by wind and sun and water and temperature differentials?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We get a lot of good temperature differentials here in the Bay Area. And then what would that be like?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How would that affect the transportation system? Even if every vehicle could be grabbing energy from the environment and using it to power. I don&#8217;t know. Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Totally. A different way of framing that same question. And we&#8217;ve used this a little bit in some of our games is: What is currently scarce that could be abundant?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And what is currently abundant that might end up being scarce? And then asking the, okay, because of that then what are the consequences?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What&#8217;s the first order effect, second order effect of that?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Or likewise what needs to be true for that to happen?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are different paths to whatever the thing is, whether it&#8217;s power, water, whatever, becoming abundant?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And always there&#8217;s the questions like, what are the negative externalities?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Or, what are the parasites that might emerge to take advantage of that in a bad way?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So like you could tell a story about, let&#8217;s say, okay, San Francisco is carpeted and solar panels. Do you end up having a weird situation where you get a bunch of folks running like crypto mining rigs off of abundant free power and suddenly drawing down from the grid? Okay then what&#8217;s the countervailing pressure against that too?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And yeah, so I think that the scarcity and abundance and then just continuing to ask, Okay, and then What&#8217;s the next order of effect? Or what&#8217;s the next domino that falls?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That&#8217;s great. I love it. I love it. And I think as a story writer, this is often, we&#8217;re often doing this.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then what? And then what?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I know for me what I&#8217;m working on, especially at the beginning of creating a story I&#8217;m asking, because stories have to have escalating conflict, I ask:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What is the worst thing that could happen now to my dear lovely character?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And now what?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What&#8217;s worse than that?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And what&#8217;s worse than that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And that&#8217;s how, actually how I build my plot. Oh, that&#8217;s great.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love it. There&#8217;s a game, that recently released called <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Zone<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> by Raf d Miko. And, one of the moves in the game, one of the things that can happen in the game, is that- So something bad&#8217;s gonna happen and you ask the player, whose character it&#8217;s gonna happen to, what do they fear it&#8217;s gonna be?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And they say what they think it&#8217;s gonna be, and then the person who&#8217;s asking says, okay, it&#8217;s worse. And you one up it. You Yes-And it right there, it&#8217;s just oh, yeah. Yeah. They&#8217;ve already thought of the worst thing it could be, and now you have to figure out Okay, it&#8217;s even more, more intense, more whatever it might be. Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Great for storytelling. So Wonderful. So Randy, how can people find you and get in touch with you?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So I&#8217;m on all the socials. I&#8217;m, not the only Randy Lubin out there, but if you look for Randy Lubin, you should be able to find me. My serious games you can find at leveragedplay.com.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you&#8217;re interested in getting into the intersection of foresight and games, I also manage a community called Foresight Games. You can go to foresight.games. We&#8217;d love to have you join, even if you&#8217;re just curious, please join us. And then on the consumer game side, you can go to diegeticgames.com. And, a handful of my games are available for free and even the ones that are paid usually have community copies for the digital version. So don&#8217;t let price be an obstacle. There&#8217;s unlimited copies. You&#8217;re not taking it outta somebody else&#8217;s hand. Go check it out if that excites you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That&#8217;s so great. I love all your energy, enthusiasm and all these tools. Just so useful, so accessible. So I just wanna thank you so much, Randy, for being a guest here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wanna have you back at some future point. We can maybe make a game together. That would be fun. And just demo that for folks. I think that would be so amazing. And I&#8217;ll have to bring in actually my husband too, because he actually makes games. He&#8217;s a high school teacher. He makes games for them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On our very first Valentine&#8217;s Day date, he made a game for me with puzzles that I had to solve to go around the house, to find this pretty little heart crystal and a glass of water. That was the end point. It was so sweet and so fun. Sometimes I say, will you make a little puzzle or game for me as a gift? &#8217;cause just enjoy them so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That is so sweet. That&#8217;s amazing. I love it. Thank you again, Randy, and I look forward to talking with you again.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>RANDY LUBIN:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Thanks for having me on the show.. It&#8217;s been a pleasure.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[15:11] Wrap up of part 2\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Hey everyone. Thanks for listening to my interview with Randy Lubin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Please Like and Subscribe to wherever you listen and get this podcast. And also please share this with someone you think would really be excited to hear.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the show notes are links to all the games that Randy and I discussed, as well as a link for you to sign up for our <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> that I have for listeners of this podcast.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Also I mentioned in this interview the film I&#8217;m making. So there&#8217;s a link in the show notes also where you can find out more about the state of my film that is based on my heroine, and her friends based on my trilogy, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Henrietta The Dragon Slayer<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. So check that out if you&#8217;re curious.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All right.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s all, everyone. That&#8217;s it for this week.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Write long and prosper.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">***<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Loved this episode? 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