{"id":28590,"date":"2024-07-29T04:28:25","date_gmt":"2024-07-29T11:28:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?p=28590"},"modified":"2024-07-29T04:28:25","modified_gmt":"2024-07-29T11:28:25","slug":"the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias-with-jennifer-browdy-pt-2-of-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2024\/07\/29\/the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias-with-jennifer-browdy-pt-2-of-2\/","title":{"rendered":"The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 2 of 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-28591 size-full\" title=\"Image of Beth Barany and Jennifer Browdy for The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 1 of 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images.png\" alt=\"Image of Beth Barany and Jennifer Browdy for The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 1 of 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images-1.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-28592 size-full\" title=\"Quote for The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 2 of 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images-1.png\" alt=\"Quote for The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 2 of 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images-1.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Episode-111-Blog-Images-1-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"fittexted_for_content_h2\" style=\"text-align: center;\">The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 2 of 2 \u2013 How To Write the Future podcast, episode 111<\/h2>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI think maintaining our own individual health is a really important part of being able to contribute to broader social health.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8212; Jennifer Browdy<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In this latest How To Write the Future podcast episode, host Beth Barany continues her conversation with Jennifer Browdy, PhD Professor of Comparative Literature &amp; Media Arts, publisher of Green Fire Press, and award-winning author. Together they discuss Jennifer\u2019s \u201cWomen Write the World\u201d class where she shares why it\u2019s important to maintain a positive outlook for the future and how seeing what we write could be beneficial to others.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Platforms The podcast is available on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/111-the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias\/id1641025914?i=1000663652352\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061\/15449716-111-the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias-with-jennifer-browdy-pt-2-of-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Buzzsprout<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4TlSPG21mhwMgePIsq48fl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/episode\/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzzsprout.com%2F2012061%2F15449716-111-the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias-with-jennifer-browdy-pt-2-of-2.mp3&amp;podcastId=4025186\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Podcast Addict<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/ca590618-5630-4450-aa17-7e2f35359a76\/episodes\/68f1462f-ee41-4d4b-bb46-2bc523dfb9f4\/how-to-write-the-future-111-the-challenge-of-imagining-thrutopias-with-jennifer-browdy-pt-2-of-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/RSPVk7ZGR-g?si=j1x1Q3pbuq0SELI-\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Youtube<\/a><\/span><br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RSPVk7ZGR-g?si=j1x1Q3pbuq0SELI-\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061.js?container_id=buzzsprout-large-player&#038;player=large'><\/script><\/p>\n<h2><b>RESOURCES\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><strong>Free World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers<\/strong>:<a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Sign up for the 30-minute Story Success Clinic with Beth Barany:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/story-success-clinic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/story-success-clinic\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Get support for your fiction writing by a novelist and writing teacher and coach. Schedule an exploratory call here and see if Beth can support you today:<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/discovery-call\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/discovery-call\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About the How To Write the Future podcast\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The *How To Write The Future* podcast is for science fiction and fantasy writers who want to write positive futures and successfully bring those stories out into the marketplace. Hosted by Beth Barany, science fiction novelist and creativity coach for writers. We cover tips for fiction writers. This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for you if you have questions like:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I create a believable world for my science fiction story?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I figure out what&#8217;s not working if my story feels flat?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I make my story more interesting and alive?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"fittexted_for_content_h2\"><strong>About Jennifer Browdy<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-28553 size-medium\" title=\"Image of Jennfier Browdy\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-290x300.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 290px) 100vw, 290px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-290x300.jpg 290w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-991x1024.jpg 991w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-768x794.jpg 768w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-1486x1536.jpg 1486w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-1982x2048.jpg 1982w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy-640x661.jpg 640w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/348596242_3432047523750005_503775370213720202_n_-_Jennifer_Browdy.jpg 2000w\" alt=\"Image of Jennifer Browdy\" width=\"290\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jennifer Browdy PhD is a Professor of Comparative Literature &amp; Media Arts at Bard College at Simon\u2019s Rock and the Open Society University Network. She is the publisher of Green Fire Press, specializing in \u201cbooks that make the world better,\u201d and the author of several award-winning books, including\u00a0<em>Purposeful Memoir as a Quest for a Thriving Future<\/em>\u00a0(Nautilus Gold Award winner, 2022);\u00a0<em>The Elemental Journey of Purposeful Memoir<\/em>\u00a0(Nautilus Silver Award, 2017), and the memoir,\u00a0<em>What I Forgot \u2026And Why I Remembered<\/em>\u00a0(International Books Awards finalist). Her current work-in-progress focuses on necessary transformations for education in the 21st century, ideas she is sharing on her Substack blog, the Spirit of Education. She co-hosts a vibrant online community for writers, Birth Your Truest Story, where she also offers live and on-demand courses in \u201cwriting to right the world\u201d and purposeful memoir. For information on memoir writing workshops, author coaching and manuscript review visit:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/jenniferbrowdy.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jenniferbrowdy.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Facebook:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jenniferbrowdy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jenniferbrowdy<\/a>\u00a0\/\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jbrowdy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jbrowdy\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Subscribe to my Substack newsletter, Writing to Right the World.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/jenniferbrowdy.substack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/jenniferbrowdy.substack.com<\/a><\/p>\n<h2><\/h2>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Transcript for The Challenge of Imagining Thrutopias with Jennifer Browdy, Pt. 2 of 2\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:00] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Hey, everyone. Welcome back or welcome to How to Write the Future podcast.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:04] I am your host, Beth Barany. I am an award-winning science fiction and fantasy writer, also creativity coach and writing teacher for science fiction and fantasy authors.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:15] I have this podcast because I care very much about creating positive, optimistic futures through our stories.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:22] So I host other writers and thinkers and futurists and also share my thoughts on how to do that from the practical to the theoretical and everything in between.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:32] So thank you very much for being here with us today.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Part 2 with Jennifer Browdy: Suggestions and Tips to work on your positive, optimistic future\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:36] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Enjoy part two of my conversation with my guest, Jennifer Browdy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:41] \u200b Are there any other suggestions that you have for young people or anybody who wants to work on their positive, optimistic visions for the future? What are some resources or tips that you have for them? For us?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:00:54] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think that many of us tend to be in our heads way too much, and we just spend a lot of time on screens and in our own heads and I think getting away from the screens, getting away from the desk, getting out into the world, getting out in nature, doing things in our bodies, moving our bodies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:14] I think that&#8217;s really important. I mentioned my Substack blog, The Spirit of Education. One thing that I think I&#8217;ve written about already, but if not, I will be.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:22] I&#8217;m really not a big fan of the only embodied education being competitive sports at the K to 12 age.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:31] So that seems to be the outlet is, when kids are encouraged to move, it&#8217;s in this competitive way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:38] Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:39] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So, I, I really think that is not healthy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:42] And, there&#8217;s your kitty.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:44] And Yeah. Animals. We need to spend more time with animals.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:01:48] The other thing in my, hidden in my bio is that I have been doing a lot of riding, horseback riding and writing. I lead these tours of writing and horseback riding has really been a huge, transformative thing for me to get back to that as a, as an older adult.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:06] And, so I would encourage people to do that too. It&#8217;s, it&#8217;s really healthy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:11] So the thing about maintaining a positive outlook is you have to have, you have to be in good spirits yourself.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:17] If you&#8217;re feeling down and paralyzed and overwhelmed and anxious, it&#8217;s really easy to get into that state.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:25] How can you possibly write a positive future without feeling like you&#8217;re just pie in the sky and rose-colored glasses?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:32] I think maintaining our own individual health is a really important part of being able to contribute to broader social health.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:39] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I&#8217;m a big proponent for walking.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:43] I often walk and then write, and I do a lot of thinking and processing while walking and. I&#8217;m really glad that, that you brought that up.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:51] And, I see that you offer courses and support for people who want to write about their lives in a way that&#8217;s impactful.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:02:59] And I really love your phrase.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:01] I read, your piece on&#8211; The world writes. So, world and then Wright &#8212; W-R-I-G-H-T.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:09] You coined it from a playwright.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:12] And I love your phrase, &#8220;writing to right the world.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:15] Do you wanna say a little bit more about that and what you offer and how you support writers there?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:20] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah. So, in my, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Purposeful Memoir Is a Quest For a Thriving Future<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> book is where I&#8217;ve started to talk about world wrights, which is a term that just came to me on the beach as many good ideas do. And so playwrights write plays and world wrights write to make the world better, which is also the motto of my publishing company, Green Fire Press is dedicated to books that make the world better.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:43] And the idea of seeing what we write, whether it&#8217;s fiction or memoir or whatever it is, in terms of how it could be beneficial to others. So, to have that kind of explicit mission in mind.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:03:56] I got this idea in connection with memoir because memoir is often seen as a kind of self-indulgent, navel gazing form, and, it can be, and there are a lot of memoirs out there that are just laments.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:04:09] There&#8217;s a lot of trauma literature out there that really doesn&#8217;t go beyond recounting the trauma, which has therapeutic value for the person who&#8217;s recounting it, but not necessarily for the readers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:04:20] In the course of teaching a lot of courses on memoir, I just began to think that we need to get beyond all those challenges that inevitably come into every life story and think about what are the life lessons learned?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:04:34] What do I have to share from my life experience that can be a benefit to others who may be experiencing something similar or, may know people who are experiencing something similar?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:04:44] So when I do author coaching, I try to get people to think about this. Think about what they\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:04:50] have to offer in their stories that will help others. And it&#8217;s usually a really opening and freeing question for people because they do tend to think: who would possibly wanna know about my life and all my troubles?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:04] And, the answer is: many people, if you&#8217;re presenting it in a way that will help them understand their own lives more deeply and also help them surmount these challenges.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:16] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That&#8217;s beautiful. And noticing how it&#8217;s not just one individual story, that we&#8217;re really a part of a system. That we&#8217;re part of our own culture. That we&#8217;re part of a lineage, that we&#8217;re part of a greater humanity. I like that you framed it in that way.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How to Connect with Jennifer Browdy\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:31] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People can reach out to you through your website, Jennifer Browdy.com.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:36] Also, you have a Substack, the spirit of education, and is there any other way? Oh, you have two Substack.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:42] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, I have, the spirit of education is the sandbox for my book which will be on how education needs to transform to meet the challenges of the 21st century.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:52] So very Thrutopian. And then my other one is Writing to Right the World.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>About Jennifer&#8217;s Fantasy Novel\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:05:57] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I should tell you of all people that I am also writing a fantasy novel. And I have been for years actually. And the Ur moment for that novel is something that I wrote about in my memoir, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What I Forgot.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:10] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I had forgotten it entirely, but when I was eight years old, a Wood Nymph named Astraea visited me and I started to write her story.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:19] She was very upset because her forest was being cut down and she was trying to convene a council to figure out a solution for this, and I stopped writing the story. I didn&#8217;t finish it because I had no idea what the solution might be at eight years old.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:35] I felt like all these years she&#8217;s been hanging out there, still calling to me and waiting for me to figure this out.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:42] So the fantasy novel that I&#8217;ve been working on goes back and forth between, a very grim sort of academia, similar to the place I inhabit in my ordinary life and the fantasy world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:53] So I&#8217;m having fun with that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A Course called &#8220;Tell The Truth Through Fiction&#8221;\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:06:54] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And I also teach a course called: Tell The Truth Through Fiction, where I really think sometimes you can tell the truth much better when you write fiction than memoir.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:04] For instance, when I&#8217;m writing about academia in my novel, I&#8217;m, I think I&#8217;m more truthful than I could be in memoir.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:10] As a child, I learned a lot about history and politics, and other topics, but especially those two, which were, I found very challenging in school and taught in a very remote way as if history just happens, but actually history is made by people who make decisions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:29] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And when I read fiction about it, I could all of a sudden understand it. And I found, I learned more in reading the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dune<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> series than I ever did in any course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:40] I never took a course on political economy or political history, but in all the history courses, they never talked about the people who made the decisions and why they made them, and the pressures they&#8217;re going under.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:50] And all of a sudden the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dune<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> series was like, wow, a masterclass. I read when I was 19 instead of studying for finals.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:07:57] So I love that you do that. And I know there are many readers who love fiction for this purpose.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:04] Obviously myself included.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:05] So I&#8217;m really glad that you&#8217;re working on this fantasy novel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:08] Do you have any idea about when it might be published?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:10] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It&#8217;s still pretty far out and I also. I&#8217;m not sure that I would publish it before I&#8217;m retired from academia. It&#8217;s like that true.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:17] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah. Makes sense. Makes total sense. If this show is still around or who knows what I&#8217;ll be doing, I&#8217;ll be able to talk to you about it, read it, share it, because I love that. I love that kind of thing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Talking later about how can we change education<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:27] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Ah, great. Let&#8217;s wrap it up for today. We&#8217;ll have to come back and have more discussion. I would love to have you back when I am gonna do a series at some point on education. I&#8217;m very much curious to talk with you more about how we can change education and I actually have a novel in mind about all of that as alternative, I don&#8217;t know, future that involves education, but having high school kids and all this stuff.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:52] At some point we&#8217;ll have to come and talk more about education. I&#8217;m just gonna drop that in there.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tips for fantasy and science fiction writers\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:08:57] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Now speaking directly to science fiction and fantasy writers, do you have any tips for them about how they can bring in positive, optimistic visions into their work?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:09:06] Any What can you offer them?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:09:07] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That&#8217;s a good question. I don&#8217;t know. I think what I&#8217;m trying to do, and it&#8217;s very challenging. That&#8217;s why I am writing so slowly, is I&#8217;m trying to stay away from the old heroes journey, very conventional, dark and light, good and evil. Light will conquer all. I think those narratives are just played out and I&#8217;m looking for something different and it&#8217;s been hard to, it&#8217;s been hard to find.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:09:34] So to be honest, I have been exploring, I think I&#8217;ve practically done another whole PhD, study of the occult and esoterica, metaphysics, mysticism. And really that&#8217;s where I am looking and where I&#8217;m listening for new ideas.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:09:52] It&#8217;s maybe paradoxical, &#8217;cause most of them are very ancient, but they&#8217;re new in the sense&#8211;\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:09:57] What I&#8217;m looking for is direct transmissions and not talking about religion.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:02] Religion is definitely not where I&#8217;m going. But I&#8217;m listening for new ideas that are coming from other realms.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:10] That&#8217;s what I want to bring down onto the page.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:13] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah. New paradigms. Sounds like you&#8217;re living my new paradigms.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:17] I love your focus on transmission because how are we going to create new ideas if we&#8217;re always pulling from the old, How can we feed ourselves new experiences so that we can develop something new?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:31] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, that&#8217;s it. Because as multiple civilizations interlocking, we&#8217;ve just been stuck in a rut for quite a couple of millennia here. We&#8217;re just doing the same, and we need to break out of it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:43] So I&#8217;m very excited that this is the year of the dragon.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:47] And I feel a lot of energy roaring up with that dragon., There&#8217;s a potential for a big leap this year.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:10:53] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Absolutely. And I know from an astrological point of view, There\u2019s gonna be a lot of shifts, a lot of changes, and we need a lot of resilience, and we need a lot of creative thinking.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:11:03] My stance is that creativity is what&#8217;s going to allow us to continue to evolve. Not doing the same old. And the education of women, the education of everyone, but including of course women who traditionally in many places have not received education.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:11:20] Anyway, that, that&#8217;s my thought on that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:11:22] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Absolutely. And just the sort of rise of feminine energy. Yes. That&#8217;s, yeah. Which I think the dragon represents yin and yang to use those terms put together. It&#8217;s got both.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:11:35] <\/span><b>BETH BARANY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Oh, I love it. Yeah. I know traditionally the eastern dragon has been more yin compared to the way the western dragon has been portrayed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:11:42] Very yang, very fire. Yeah. Fascinating. Wow. I have a lot to say about that. &#8217;cause I&#8217;m also working on a whole series of stories involving monsters and our relationship to that archetype and, yeah. So fun. Jennifer, it&#8217;s been really fun chatting with you and talking with you about these ideas and I look forward to having you back and furthering conversation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:12:02] <\/span><b>JENNIFER BROWDY:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I&#8217;m really grateful for the work that you do with writers and inside of formal education and also outside of formal education. I think we need what you have to offer, and I hope that one day you can teach your writing the future class. Yes, definitely bringing it back for sure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[00:12:18] Great. Thank you so much again. And I&#8217;m gonna say to all of our guests, write long and prosper.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Loved this episode? 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