{"id":27750,"date":"2023-11-20T06:24:30","date_gmt":"2023-11-20T14:24:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?p=27750"},"modified":"2023-11-27T12:14:39","modified_gmt":"2023-11-27T20:14:39","slug":"making-the-world-better-with-storytelling-featuring-joe-tankersley","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2023\/11\/20\/making-the-world-better-with-storytelling-featuring-joe-tankersley\/","title":{"rendered":"Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-27751 size-full\" title=\"Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.png\" alt=\"Grey Blog Image for Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/2-2.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-27752 size-full\" title=\"Quote from Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/2-2.png\" alt=\"Quote from Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/2-2.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/2-2-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley &#8211; How to Write the Future podcast, episode 72<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWe&#8217;re in a time where if we continue to believe only in the negative possibilities, then we won&#8217;t make the effort to create positive tomorrows.\u201d &#8211; Joe Tankersley<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In \u201cEpisode 72. Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley,\u201d host Beth Barany, creativity coach, teacher, and science fiction and fantasy novelist, talks to storyteller and professional futurist, Joe Tankersley, about the importance of positive future stories and the role of storytelling in shaping the future. Joe shares his own journey as a futurist and storyteller, highlighting the need for diverse and equitable futures. Joe also mentions the concept of &#8220;practical utopias&#8221; and the potential for communities to experiment with alternative forms of governance, culture, and economic organization. He encourages writers to explore Thrutopian-type stories that offer a middle ground between dystopia and utopia and to seek inspiration from real-world examples of positive change. Beth and Joe also talk about the Space Economy Camp for Writers event and offer advice to writers on exploring new ideas and finding inspiration in positive stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Platforms The podcast is available on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/72-making-the-world-better-with-storytelling-featuring\/id1641025914?i=1000635397631\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8yMDEyMDYxLnJzcw\/episode\/QnV6enNwcm91dC0xMzk5MDQzMQ?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjIoPXZ5dKCAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google Podcasts<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061\/13990431-72-making-the-world-better-with-storytelling-featuring-joe-tankersley\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Buzzsprout<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/42qo1wjqyopSeV7xcBiokC\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/how-to-write-the-future\/episode\/167146404\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Podcast Addict<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/ca590618-5630-4450-aa17-7e2f35359a76\/episodes\/c59c7878-13d7-4bdf-9111-b0dfd0f21edd\/how-to-write-the-future-72-making-the-world-better-with-storytelling-featuring-joe-tankersley\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Amazon Music<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/IepC3u8iO24?si=d6OfwtUkME336tLF\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Youtube<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/IepC3u8iO24?si=sPu6T9bIpXr-bf0f\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div id=\"buzzsprout-large-player\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<p><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061.js?container_id=buzzsprout-large-player&#038;player=large'><\/script><\/p>\n<h2><b>RESOURCES\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><b>Practopia:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/practopiaproject.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/practopiaproject.com\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b><i>Doughnut Economics<\/i><\/b><b>:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/doughnuteconomics.org\/\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/doughnuteconomics.org\/<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">;<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.chelseagreen.com\/product\/doughnut-economics-paperback\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.chelseagreen.com\/product\/doughnut-economics-paperback\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Center for Science and the Imagination, Arizona State University:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/csi.asu.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/csi.asu.edu\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Free World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers:<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About the How To Write the Future podcast\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The *How To Write The Future* podcast is for science fiction and fantasy writers who want to write positive futures and successfully bring those stories out into the marketplace. Hosted by Beth Barany, science fiction novelist and creativity coach for writers. We cover tips for fiction writers. This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for you if you have questions like:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I create a believable world for my science fiction story?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do figure what&#8217;s not working if my story feels flat?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8211; How do I make my story more interesting and alive?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2>About Joe Tankersley<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/episode-72-blog-images.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-27753 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/episode-72-blog-images.png\" alt=\"Image of Joe Tankersley\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/episode-72-blog-images.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/episode-72-blog-images-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>Joe Tankersley is a storyteller, futurist, and advocate for better tomorrows. Through his work as a professional futurist, he developed his strategic narrative technique that combines the rigor of foresight research with the imaginative spark of story. This unique combination came out of his 20-year career at Walt Disney Imagineering where he served as writer, creative producer, and internal futurist for the company\u2019s elite Blue Sky Studios. As an independent consultant for the past 6 years, he has helped nonprofits, community groups and change makers <em>Imagineer their best tomorrows.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Joe\u2019s fiction and essays have appeared in <em>New Maps, Disruption Magazine, Solutions, Conscious Company Magazine<\/em>, and the anthologies, <em>After Shock<\/em> and <em>Aftershocks and Opportunities<\/em>. His short story \u201cGabby\u2019s First Kiss,\u201d from <em>Reimagining Our Tomorrows, Making Sure Your Future Doesn\u2019t Suck.<\/em> (2018) was a winner of the 2021 Extinction Rebellion Solarpunk Story contest.<\/p>\n<p>Joe has served on the board of directors of the Association of Professional Futurists, The Global Futures Forum, and the Blue Community Consortium.<\/p>\n<p>Learn more at <a href=\"https:\/\/joetankersley.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/joetankersley.com\/<\/a><!-- notionvc: f2b2e43a-8804-4137-99fe-cb4c1adf0fe4 --><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Transcript for episode 72 &#8211; Making the World Better with Storytelling featuring Joe Tankersley<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hey everyone, welcome to How to Write the Future podcast. I am Beth Barany, your host.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How to Write the Future is a podcast primarily for science fiction and fantasy writers who want to create positive, optimistic futures, because when we imagine what is possible, we actually help make it so.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is also for anyone who cares about the future and in imagining better tomorrows for everyone. I am an award-winning science fiction and fantasy writer, novelist, as well as a writing teacher and coach.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So today is with me, Joe Tankersley. Welcome Joe. So glad to have you here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Great to be here, Beth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fabulous. So I&#8217;m going to read Joe&#8217;s bio for everyone to get to know Joe a little bit better, and then we&#8217;re going to dive into some questions. And then at the end, we&#8217;ll tell you how you can get a little support with your writing.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>About Joe Tankersley\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All right. So Joe Tankersley is a storyteller, futurist, an advocate for better tomorrows.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Through his work as a professional futurist, he&#8217;s developed his strategic narrative technique that combines the rigor of foresight research with the imaginative spark of story. This unique combination came out of his 20-year career at Walt Disney Imagineering, where he served as a writer, creative producer, and internal futurist for the company&#8217;s elite Blue Sky Studios.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As an independent consultant for the past six years, he has helped nonprofits, community groups, and changemakers imagineer their best tomorrows. Joe&#8217;s fiction and essays have appeared in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">New Maps,<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Disruption Magazine,<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Solutions,<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Conscious Company Magazine,<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and the anthologies <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Aftershock<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Aftershocks and Opportunities.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">His short story, &#8220;Gabby&#8217;s First Kiss,&#8221; from <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Reimagining Our Tomorrows, Making Sure Your Future Doesn&#8217;t Suck,<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> 2018, was a winner of the 2021 Extinction Rebellion Solar Punk Story Contest. Joe has served on the board of directors of the Association of Professional Futurists, the Global Futures Forum, and the Blue Community Consortium.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And a little bit more about Joe&#8217;s perspective: All of his writing explores how we can create futures that are abundant, just, and regenerative. As an advocate for the future, Joe believes it is clear that the quote, &#8220;dismal science is at the heart of all visions for better tomorrows.&#8221; Imagining those better tomorrows starts with understanding the vast range of possibilities offered by heterodox economic theories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And hopefully, we&#8217;ll circle back to that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And for too many people, late 20th-century capitalism seems an insurmountable barrier to radical change. It is, in short, an imagination killer. By freeing our imaginations from the chains of neoliberal capitalism, we can explore a wider range of possible futures and discover new ways to structure our societies, so that both planet and people thrive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Joe&#8217;s current work in progress, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Signals of Hope:<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Travels Through Post America with Johnny Darlin,<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is an episodic future travelogue. The main character has been commissioned to visit and report on the communities of hope emerging across North America after the collapse of the United States. Each of the communities he visits offers the opportunity to explore an alternative form of governance, culture, an economic organization.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Great. Wow. Really, really interesting, Joe. Thank you so much again for joining me today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And just a little bit of background, Joe and I know each other through a community that came together last year that Amanda Scott created called Thrutopia. It was like a class actually, and now we&#8217;ve evolved into a writing community and many other things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So again, thanks Joe for joining me today. And gosh, where do we begin? Is there any opening remarks you want to jump in after, after hearing your bio read back to you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s always depressing to hear your bio read back to you. It just makes me feel like I&#8217;m really old, actually. It&#8217;s too long, but you know.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, you&#8217;ve done a lot and that&#8217;s important. I mean, your insight adds to the conversation in a way that a lot of people don&#8217;t have, have that experience. So you&#8217;re really actually adding to the conversation, and I think people, especially the younger generation, they need, they need your wisdom.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, I appreciate that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s, that&#8217;s, uh, hopefully useful, and, and I&#8217;ve been lucky to have the experiences that I&#8217;ve had. I&#8217;ve had a, you know, a chance to really explore a lot of different avenues throughout the years, which have sort of brought me to where I am today, still asking questions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s fabulous. And I think it&#8217;s through those new questions leaning into the unknown that&#8217;s going to help us remake humanity and the world we live in through our stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, we certainly hope so because we definitely need some hope for better tomorrows right now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely. And it sounds like your current work in progress will definitely give us some of that hope. So I hope to have you back when that story is done and out in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No, I appreciate that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And hopefully, that won&#8217;t be nearly as long as it&#8217;s taken me to get to this point with it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You know how that is with stories. They come when they come sometimes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly. I always tell my writers, you know, it takes as long as it takes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As long as we&#8217;re showing up for the work on a regular basis and not shying away from the hard stuff, it&#8217;ll get done.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Great.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Go ahead.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No, no, you go.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was just going to say that, that is so true, but hard to remember on a day-by-day basis when you&#8217;re staring at a blank screen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Yeah. And that&#8217;s why I have a lot of tools and techniques to restart after, after being stalled out for whatever reason. I have stalled out so many times, I have such a broad toolkit when it comes to getting started again.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s that&#8217;s probably a topic for another time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I asked you to gather some questions together for me that we could shine a light on for this interview. And I love your first question because I was inspired to start this podcast because I wanted to bring together the world of foresight and futurism, and what futurists do with writing, with creative writing, specifically with science fiction and fantasy because those two genres really lend themselves to creating new ways of being, new ways of thinking. And of course, there&#8217;s a lot of mashups there with other subgenres.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So let&#8217;s come back to this basic question for our audience, which is, I love the question, which is: what is a futurist? And maybe you can also weave in there how you see yourself as a futurist and what that means for you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So plainly put, what is a futurist?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, you know, there, there are many different flavors. My background, it came out of what we call the professional futures field. And there are people who use a sense of understanding, with deep research, to have a sense of what is possible, what trends might be impacting the future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They&#8217;re not people who predict the future. we can&#8217;t do that. What we can do is help people have a better sense of how they can have more power over the future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And that&#8217;s a lot of what the work I do and most of the futurists that I know do. The profession as such is, what, about 70 years old now. It started after World War II.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The RAND Corporation was the people who kind of started all of that. And for most of the last 70 years, in this country, it&#8217;s been used by corporations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In Europe, it&#8217;s been very popular amongst governments. And what I&#8217;m really interested in is seeing a trend in the work, moving toward doing futures work with community groups, with nonprofits, with people who typically don&#8217;t feel like they have power toward the future. And how do we unleash that? So.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, I love that. I love that you&#8217;re bringing that to communities and I see that you work with nonprofits, community groups, and I love that you just call them change makers, people who want to bring change out into the world. That&#8217;s great. So can you tell us, How did you get interested in creating stories about the future? What&#8217;s your genesis there?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, I&#8217;ll try to keep the story short, because it took a long time to get here. I was working at Walt Disney Imagineering, about a little over 20 years ago. And in part, one of the reasons I was really excited about having that job was I was supposed to be working on the future of Epcot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I&#8217;d always been fascinated by the future, grew up on science fiction like most of us did, and as a result of that, this is a whole series of steps, right? As a result of that, I went to my my first world futurist futures conference. There used to be a conference every year of futurists. and I was incredibly excited. I was going to go learn about the future from people who knew everything about it. And what I found were a bunch of old white men with gray hair using overhead projectors. This is back in the late 90s. Making the future seem like the most boring place you could imagine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And as somebody who grew up on science fiction, I knew the future wasn&#8217;t boring.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so I went back the next year and I did a session trying to teach futures how to tell stories. So that was my first introduction, was that these people need to know how to tell stories because they&#8217;re missing the whole point.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The second piece was about that time I worked on a project called 100 Years of Magic, which was the life of Walt Disney. And I became really&#8230; Interested in his vision, because he was a futurist. In fact, Ray Bradbury calls Walt Disney the optimistic futurist. And I thought that&#8217;s what I want to be. But clearly that, those stories that he was telling in the 1960s, aren&#8217;t necessarily relevant to where we are today, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They created the future we live in. They created the high-tech world that we&#8217;re all experiencing today and both the good and the bad that came with that. And so what I really became interested in was how do we reimagine that process to get people engaged with thinking about the future, with believing they can create the future through stories and through stories that have some sort of critical analysis in them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s what led to me deciding I would be a futurist. I pestered my bosses at Disney for probably five years, until finally, they said, okay, you can be a futurist mainly because we just want you to shut up and leave us alone. And so my first professional futures work was as an internal futurist for the Walt Disney Company, which was a great place to start.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, that&#8217;s fabulous. And then the storytelling part, have you just been writing stories all your life? Like how did you get into putting the passion for storytelling into the futurist work?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sure. Well, I came to the storytelling first. When I first started my career, I was a filmmaker. I actually have a handful of bad B movie credits out there somewhere that fortunately are before the time of YouTube. So nobody can see them. And so I was writing and creating films when I got hired to work for Disney. And so my first job at Disney was also as a storyteller, a writer. That came first. It bled into the futures piece.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, that&#8217;s great. And, and did you study filmmaking in school? How did you get into filmmaking?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I did. So yeah, when I went to college, my undergraduate degree is in literature. And then I went to graduate school for film and television production. That&#8217;s why at the time, I was like everybody else. I was going to be a big-time TV director or movie director. And, things change.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Things do change. Did you move to Hollywood? You must&#8217;ve lived in LA to work for Disney.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Uh, no, actually I lived in Orlando. Worked at Walt Disney World and that was the thing that also sort of ended my fledgling filmmaking career was I didn&#8217;t want to move to Hollywood.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, back in the day, that&#8217;s all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Back in the day, that&#8217;s where you had to be.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Right, right. So I would really love to hear a little bit more for you because it sounds like you are a positive futurist. And I, I didn&#8217;t know that about Disney. I mean, I had a feeling, but I hadn&#8217;t heard him or I guess an optimist futurist. How did you say it for Disney?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Optimistic Futurist. That&#8217;s what Ray Bradbury referred to him as.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love that. The Optimistic Futurist. So for you, why do you think positive future stories are important?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, as you said in your introduction, the future that we create is based on the stories that we tell about the future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it became apparent to me and a lot of other people in the past decade that we had been so deeply immersed in dystopian stories of the future that we had lost our ability to imagine positive futures. It really felt that way. And there&#8217;s, there are lots of reasons for that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m sure you know many of them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But we&#8217;re in a time where if we continue to believe only in the negative possibilities, then we won&#8217;t make the effort to create positive tomorrows.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And while I, I totally reject the idea that we&#8217;re going to somehow solve all our problems and create utopia, the term that I like comes from the Tofflers. It&#8217;s called Practopia, creating a future that can be measured to be proven to be better than today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And you said that&#8217;s called what?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Prac Protopia. Practical Utopias as I assume. Yeah. It&#8217;s an old term. It came out in one of their early books in the 1970s. and I don&#8217;t know why it ever caught on, but it was the one that got me excited about thinking about positive futures.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s great. And who did you say the authors were?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s Heidi and Alvin Toffler.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, Toffler.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, the Future Shock people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is hard to say, so that may be why. And when you hear it the first time, you&#8217;re- so there&#8217;s something about words that get passed on very easily have to be very easy to say and understand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that could be why it didn&#8217;t take off. If we called it &#8220;practical topia&#8221;. Maybe. That&#8217;s maybe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But you know, and part of that too, they were from that same generation as Disney, and their vision for that better future was really about: technology was going to solve all our problems and, you know, etc, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We could just keep getting bigger and better. And I think that&#8217;s part of the reason why that whole train of thought probably got somewhat lost over the years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell me why.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, I mean, I think the, at least my reading of it, and I grew up at the tail end of all of this time, was the 1950s and 60s, the future was going to be great big, what was a great big beautiful tomorrows, right? Everything was going to be fabulous. And then we got into the 80s, and we realized that technology was creating as many or more problems as it was solving for us. And we went through that sort of 80s to 2000 era with literature particularly, where it became distrustful of technology, where all we could imagine were the terrible things it was going to do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so in some ways it&#8217;s cyclical, and I think what we&#8217;re trying to do again is get back to that hopeful future. But not one that is necessarily dominated by big technology, big governments. Big- Big is kind of not the future that I see when I think about positive tomorrows.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell me a little bit more about what you do see then. What are the- if we can get a sneak peek?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, I do think, the one thing is that the, there is no future. There are many futures.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They&#8217;re very different for all of us. And one of the things that we&#8217;ve seen that goes along with what&#8217;s happening in society is we are starting to see much more diversity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I think the futures will be more diverse than sort of the monolithic future that we&#8217;ve had particularly in this country for the last say 100 years or so.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You see already today communities engaging in all sorts of fascinating experiments, everything from new economic systems to places that are trying to change the way they deal with the climate problem. People are talking about at the local level, what are reparations. They&#8217;re just all sorts of fascinating experiments out there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that&#8217;s the positive future for me. It&#8217;s where we see people making effort to try new and different things, some of which will fail, a few will succeed, and those are the ones will start to grow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And maybe more on the community level, because I noticed like in the story that you are working on, it&#8217;s about your character is going to different communities and noticing different alternative forms of governance, culture, which Implies so many different things and economic organization, and I&#8217;m wondering if you want to share a little bit of your thoughts based on your experience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Like, for example, when you say culture, different alternative forms of culture, can you tell us a little bit more about some of those ideas you&#8217;re playing with?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sure. You&#8217;re Well aware of the work that&#8217;s being done in, for instance, solar punk literature today. You know, and the, the whole solar punk kind of mentality is cultures that are very much about embracing diversity, embracing equity, and making that kind of the foundation for everything that they do within the culture. And so we&#8217;re seeing a lot of really interesting stories that are coming out of that world. So that&#8217;s one of the ones in terms of the culture piece.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The economics piece. It&#8217;s interesting for me to think about economics because I am a storyteller. And for years, like most storytellers, I was like, no, not economics. I can&#8217;t even balance my checkbook.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And a few years ago,<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I read Kate Raworth&#8217;s Doughnut Economics. Which I highly recommend to anyone who&#8217;s writing fiction. For the first time in my life, I understood economics. I also understood that it was simply a system that was human-made.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so you could imagine any system you wanted to, particularly as a writer. Just create any kind of wild and crazy idea you wanted to.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And she, of course, has one that is very, interesting and powerful, in that, what if we created an economic system that was based on making sure that as many people as possible got into the safe area, the donut kind of? Everybody had the basic needs, but that we didn&#8217;t overshoot and destroy the environment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So it&#8217;s an economic model that says, we&#8217;re going to balance what we need with what the planet needs with what other creatures on the planet need. And already places cities around the world are trying to adopt that model.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that&#8217;s another example. That&#8217;s the thing that got me excited about what communities can do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love it. I just love it. Such great references. We&#8217;ll be sure to put in the show description. You are going to an event in Arizona for futurists and storytellers. Can you tell us about this event?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I think people need to know about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, it&#8217;s really interesting. Well, first of all, Arizona State University has what is the Center for Science and Imagination, I believe is the correct title.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They&#8217;ve been doing some great storytelling work on this intersection between thinking as a futurist and creating interesting, compelling stories. And they&#8217;ve got a great model that they&#8217;ve used. They bring together writers, pair them with experts, and basically do what futurists do. They do some workshopping around possible ideas, and the writers go off and write these stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So they&#8217;ve been doing some really wonderful work for people who are looking for inspiration.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Anyway, this particular workshop is called the, what is it, Space Economy Camp for Writers. And I just happened to hear about it because I was following them. And it&#8217;s going to be a three-day workshop where we get to hear from people like the head economist for NASA, other economists, and then we work with some well-known science fiction writers who are really good at world-building.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And we&#8217;re going to try to build some worlds to think about what different economic models might be in these different worlds, so.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, I love it. I love it. So up my alley. Wow, this is really great. So, I want to bring the conversation to a close but definitely open the door to further conversations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is there any advice that you have to writers out there who are working on their worlds, that they&#8217;re building, their stories? Any top advice, one or two or three tips that you can give to writers?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JOE TANKERSLEY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, I think the thing that brought us together, the Thrutopian community, is something that I really encourage all writers to think in terms of.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Thrutopian-type stories<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This idea that every story doesn&#8217;t have to be either dystopian or utopian. That we need to find a middle ground that&#8217;s really about exploring new, interesting ideas that suggest that maybe the future&#8217;s messy. But we can still have some success in that future, and we can still make things better.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I think that&#8217;s a change of attitude. Because I think for so long, once again, as I said, we&#8217;ve been drummed into the the stories that sell are the ones where Armageddon happens, or the hero saves us from Armageddon. But what about a whole new way of exploring how communities work, how collaboration works?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think that&#8217;s where the fertile ground is.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And the other thing is, is that don&#8217;t get hung up on the the sort of hose pipe of information that&#8217;s burying all of us. I find that if I can step out of that and really look for little interesting positive stories, and there are a bunch of sources out there that are really great for that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Magazine<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is one. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Positive news<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is another one. Places where you can see what people are doing to make the world a better place.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Every one of those stories could inspire a novel. And every time I read one, I go, that&#8217;d be great. I don&#8217;t have time to write it now. And so that&#8217;s what I would suggest for writers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s fabulous. Well, Joe, thank you so much for being a guest on How To Write The Future. I really appreciate you bringing your insight and this wonderful cross-section interest that you have of futurism and fiction writing. So thank you so much for being on the show today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you so much for inviting me. I enjoy the conversation like I enjoy all our conversations. Thanks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Write Long and Prosper\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u200bAll right, everyone. That&#8217;s it for now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So write long and prosper.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Loved this episode? 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