{"id":27184,"date":"2023-05-29T01:21:45","date_gmt":"2023-05-29T08:21:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?p=27184"},"modified":"2025-02-10T14:58:43","modified_gmt":"2025-02-10T22:58:43","slug":"represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction-with-sarah-elisabeth-sawyer-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2023\/05\/29\/represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction-with-sarah-elisabeth-sawyer-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Represent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/60.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-27185 size-full\" title=\"Represent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/60.png\" alt=\"Represent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/60.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/60-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/61.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-27186 size-full\" title=\"Quote from Represent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/61.png\" alt=\"Quote from Represent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/61.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/61-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In \u201cRepresent Native Peoples Accurately in Your Fiction with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer, Part 2\u201d host Beth Barany, creativity coach, and science fiction and fantasy novelist chats with author, writing instructor, and tribal member Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer where they continue their discussion about how to accurately represent Native Peoples and share the reasons why you shouldn\u2019t shy away from representing them in your stories, plus ways you can research Native Peoples.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>LISTEN TO PART 1, EPISODE 46 HERE: <a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2023\/05\/22\/represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction-with-sarah-elisabeth-sawyer-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2023\/05\/22\/represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction-with-sarah-elisabeth-sawyer-part-1\/<\/a><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Platforms the podcast is available on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/47-represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction\/id1641025914?i=1000614834928\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8yMDEyMDYxLnJzcw\/episode\/QnV6enNwcm91dC0xMjkzMTA0Mg?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjg5puTh5r_AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061\/12931042-47-represent-native-peoples-accurately-in-your-fiction-with-sarah-elisabeth-sawyer-part-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Buzzsprout<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0MntLfwM4tfKfYzrrQBKmg\" 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style=\"text-align: center;\"><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061.js?container_id=buzzsprout-large-player&#038;player=large'><\/script><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">RESOURCES<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Free World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/world-building-resources\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sign up for the 30-minute Story Success Clinic here: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/story-success-clinic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/story-success-clinic\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Get support for your fiction writing by a novelist and writing teacher and coach. Schedule an exploratory call here and see if Beth can support you today: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/discovery-call\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/discovery-call\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ABOUT SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fiction authors who want to write about Native Americans face a challenging minefield riddled with dos and don\u2019ts, and no clear answers. That is why author and writing instructor Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer created the \u201cFiction Writing: American Indians\u201d digital course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As a tribal member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, she has written and published 15 historical fiction books with Native main characters, and over 275 non-fiction articles on Native artists and organizations with representatives from dozens of North American tribes. The Smithsonian\u2019s National Museum of the American Indian honored her as a literary artist through their Artist Leadership Program for her work in preserving Choctaw Trail of Tears stories, and she is a First Peoples Fund Artist in Business Leadership alumni.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Through her in-depth course, authors are equipped to write authentic stories that honor First American history and culture. Discover more at<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fictioncourses.com\/americanindians\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">www.fictioncourses.com\/americanindians<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Free report \u201c5 Stereotypes to Avoid When Writing about Native Americans\u201d <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/fictioncourses.com\/stereotypes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">http:\/\/fictioncourses.com\/stereotypes<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Facebook:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/fictioncourses\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/fictioncourses<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Instagram:<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/fictioncourses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/fictioncourses\/<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fictioncourses.com\/blog\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Confident Fiction Author\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ABOUT THE <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">HOW TO WRITE THE FUTURE<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> PODCAST<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How To Write The Future<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> podcast is for science fiction and fantasy writers who want to write positive futures and successfully bring those stories out into the marketplace. Hosted by Beth Barany, science fiction novelist and creativity coach for writers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tips for fiction writers! This podcast is for you if you have questions like:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do I create a believable world for my science fiction story?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do I figure out what&#8217;s not working if my story feels flat?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do I make my story more interesting and alive?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This podcast is for readers too if you\u2019re at all curious about the future of humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Are you looking for a way to dig into your world-building for your story?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Then I recommend that you check out my World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers. Now available.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s at How To Write The Future.com.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Just head on over there. Click, sign up. Put your name and email, and there you go.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That workbook will be delivered to your inbox straight away.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hey everyone. Welcome back to How to Write the Future podcast.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The focus of this podcast and the focus of my work is to support writers to create positive optimistic stories because when we vision what is possible we help make it so. And part of that visioning is learning the tools of today that help us become better writers for tomorrow.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>WELCOME TO SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER &#8211; PART 2<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Welcome back to my conversation with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer. If you haven&#8217;t yet, please go back and listen to part one. So you&#8217;ll be all caught up. And then join us here for part two, while I continue my conversation with Sarah.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer is a tribal member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. And she has written and published 15 historical fiction books with Native main characters and has over 275 nonfiction articles on Native artists and organizations with representatives from dozens of North American tribes. You can learn more about her in the show notes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Please join us for part two of our conversation where we talk about accurate representation of native people in our science fiction and fantasy stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Enjoy.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So one of the questions that, you have posed for me to pose to you is&#8211; I&#8217;m just gonna read it as you stated it, because it offers some things that I&#8217;m not super familiar with, but maybe you can explain.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you shared with me: &#8220;In the face of potential controversy, like what came out of the movie Pan where they cast a white woman to play Tiger Lilly. And that&#8217;s not the first time that kind of thing has happened, why should authors try to include native cultures in their stories?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I didn&#8217;t see Pan, so I don&#8217;t know this particular context.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mm-hmm. Right. We are just in such a vicious cycle it seems like in our society. With Pan and I have not watched the full movie. I wasn&#8217;t aware of it until a fellow author, sci-fi author, fantasy author, friend of mine, Molly Reader, who is into that genre, and actually, she hadn&#8217;t seen it either, but she had been following the controversy and she&#8217;s like, Hey, let&#8217;s talk about this.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so I went and she showed me some movie clips and I was just, Oh my. It was very surprising. It was made in 2015. And the actress, I feel bad for her because she received a lot of personal backlash. And she said she, she really didn&#8217;t wanna play that role. It&#8217;s interesting in the newest Peter Pan movie, and I&#8217;m trying to think of what they&#8217;ve titled that, but they have actually cast a native woman in the role of Tiger Lily.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So they&#8217;re coming back around once again. So we went from the animated Disney film with a very highly stereotypical and what today would be considered offensive version of Tiger Lily and the native people that were portrayed in that to this whole opposite swing around with doing Pan, and they cast a white woman in that role to try not to be offensive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s why they made that choice. But in doing so, they reverted back to the old Hollywood practices of casting non-native people or white people in the role of natives.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We&#8217;re swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I like to put it in a way that&#8211; we were in one ditch and we&#8217;ve jumped the road and landed in the other ditch, but we&#8217;re still in a ditch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let&#8217;s get on the road of telling balanced, accurate, respectful stories in that, if you&#8217;re a non-native author, it doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t write about native people, and it doesn&#8217;t mean that you should shy away from it. It is a controversial subject though, and I think a lot of authors are aware of that, certainly a lot of the ones that I&#8217;ve spoken to.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The sad thing that I find is there&#8217;s a lot of fear. Something that I spoke with Jane Friedman recently. I was a guest on her blog, which was fantastic. She is phenomenal. And so I did a post on there. And it received a whole variety of comments. And she was in there on her LinkedIn page. And she told me it&#8217;s like, we don&#8217;t need fear.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fear doesn&#8217;t help anyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We need to have these conversations and tell all perspectives of it and not be jerking to one side or the other and having knee-jerk reactions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, you have those that are very adamant that people who not of that culture shouldn&#8217;t write about a culture. And then you have the other extreme of authors like, you can write anything you darn well please, that kind of thing cuz we&#8217;re authors and we should be able to write whatever we want.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I believe there&#8217;s a balance to that. There&#8217;s a balance to being able to do both of those because as authors, and this is going to the question of why you shouldn&#8217;t shy away from including native people, even though there&#8217;s controversy around it, and you may face that as an author. If you don&#8217;t include other cultures, you&#8217;re writing very stripped down bare.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If I was only writing about white Choctaw, mixed-blood woman living in a country town, and that&#8217;s all I could write about, it would just be a very dull story. We&#8217;re just not taking our responsibility as writers to educate other people and to just tell &#8217;em a great entertaining story that has this diverse, vibrant cast of characters.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m not saying you always have to have a diverse cast of characters. But we don&#8217;t need to shy away from it just because there&#8217;s a controversy. The flip side to that is being careful not to have token characters. So not having that native character in there in a token role, just so you have a diverse cast.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s what we saw a few years ago. And now we&#8217;re to the other extreme of &#8220;don&#8217;t write about us at all.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, a fellow native author that I heard about, I don&#8217;t have a direct quote from her, but it was told to me by another author who heard her say, &#8220;Please write about us. You&#8217;re in our stories. we wanna be in your stories but in a well-done way.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So we don&#8217;t want to have stories 10 years from now that don&#8217;t have native people. That&#8217;s why I encourage authors to not shy away from that despite the controversy and fear surrounding the subject.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, very good point. What are some of the key things to keep in mind specifically, especially for those of us who are inventing worlds, whether they&#8217;re fantastical, fantasy inspired or science fiction inspired? And I&#8217;m doing both.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are some key components to think of? Like speaking of character development? Speaking of ways to represent culture that feel wholesome and not a caricature. Yeah. Can you speak to some very specific tactical things that novelists can do?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;ll go ahead and bring up a couple more examples.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So going back to Pan, and you could put in that on YouTube and catch clips of Pan and Tiger Lily.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of the things that I saw with the tribe that she&#8217;s from is they created this giant hodgepodge of multiple cultures. It looked like there was some Asian culture in there, Native. There&#8217;s this African. So it&#8217;s almost like we&#8217;re going to blend it so much that no one will be able to say they were stereotyping this culture. They were drawing from this culture.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Visually what I was seeing, it created this vision of chaos. And it was this chaotic, conflicting tribe that they were trying to do. So they were trying to be so careful with it, it just came out to be a mess.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so I would encourage authors in world-building, you wanna think about, like how they dressed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Just for quick reference, in contemporary terms, we have powwows, which anyone is welcome to attend. There&#8217;s some protocols that you follow. It&#8217;s a great place to go and see native cultures and regalia up close. That&#8217;s just one thing&#8211; is never call it costume. It is regalia or traditional dress.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So thinking about that, thinking about where the people are from.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Are they agrarian?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So a lot of people think of teepees and buffalo. The Choctaw, we were gatherers, we were farmers, and so we were an agrarian society.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And often that&#8217;s reflected in the clothing that the different tribes wear.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So thinking about in your fantasy world of creating it as a whole where it&#8217;s all in harmony and working together rather than, like I said, what was in Pan, where it&#8217;s just this disjointed, there&#8217;s no connections, there&#8217;s no rhyme or reason. It&#8217;s just chaos.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So thinking about the type of society&#8211; were they near the ocean?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You talked about California tribes. And in Washington State, I&#8217;ve interviewed a lot of native artists of that way. And the sea and the ocean, that&#8217;s a huge part of their culture. It&#8217;s a part of their art. It&#8217;s a part of their dress. It&#8217;s a part of who they are.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so thinking about geographically&#8211; You&#8217;re creating this fantasy world. What can you draw from to create this harmonious world that they&#8217;re living in?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s a little bit on the big picture side.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I could say about languages too. I&#8217;ll point out the Mandalorian. That was another one that we assessed that I haven&#8217;t seen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There was an episode set in this old west town, this wild west town, and you had the Marshal and you had this conflict between the people groups&#8211; the townspeople and what were representative basically like the indigenous groups. So the classic setup like that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mmmhmm.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think they did a lot of things really well from the clips that I saw. What threw me off just because language and language preservation&#8217;s been such a big part of the people that I know and talk to is they use a lot of sign language, they quote indigenous people, the warriors, which was fine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We did use a lot of sign languages. It&#8217;s been overdone. So again, if you&#8217;re gonna use that, find a fresh way to do it. But they also incorporated this grunting almost as part of their language and mixed in there. That just threw me off because indigenous languages are so beautiful, and our culture&#8217;s so interwoven in those. And just having that grunting, almost caveman-like indistinction deal. So that was the only thing that I really faulted from the clips that I saw.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So just being cautious again about stereotypes and things that seem perfectly normal because it&#8217;s what we grew up seeing on movies and TV shows and cartoons and just really questioning every aspect of that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The more you do your research and do things like hopefully go to native events or watch &#8217;em on YouTube, powwows, and things like that, those things will start standing out.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s really great. I love what you&#8217;re saying both about really grounding whatever culture you&#8217;re being inspired by in the earth, in whatever background those peoples are coming from.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In my young adult adventure fantasy, I have in the third book, my character goes out into this area that&#8217;s basically desert.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I based the culture on the Berber culture, which I had been connected to, and knew people and lived with people and went there. And so I felt okay with using words from that culture and using some things from that culture, but then adding in some other things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And making them a desert people and really thinking through&#8211; well, if you&#8217;re a desert person, these are the things you know how to do. This is how you treat your animals. This is how you forage. This is how you set up camp.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that&#8217;s just one example<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8212; Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To really make sure it&#8217;s rooted, and that for a writer that requires us to do some backstory and thinking through, and that it&#8217;s not just this is what they wear just because, but no, that&#8217;s because of the materials and their environment and the history and all of that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I love that. And language. I love that too. I spent a lot of time as a novelist inventing sayings and words to try and to create a three-dimensionality. Cuz just like in our own cultures, we have a lot of language that comes from before.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Words don&#8217;t just &#8212; Well, sometimes they come out of the way we mishear or mispronounce, but they come from somewhere, usually from something&#8211; from a profession or from something that has gone before.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love that level of thoughtfulness. That&#8217;s really great. And for people to do their research.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you have a class that people can take.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can you tell us a little bit more how your course, a digital course called Fiction Writing American Indians, can help science fiction and fantasy authors and all novelists, because it is geared towards fiction writing, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How it can help them tell better and more authentic stories?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I just had a follow-up about your stories that you&#8217;ve done and the work that you&#8217;ve done on &#8217;em.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Do you wanna go ahead and address that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. So I do wanna follow up on you, Beth, and the stories that that you&#8217;re writing and that you&#8217;re sharing about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Everyone listening, I haven&#8217;t read any of Beth&#8217;s books yet, but just from what I&#8217;m hearing, her heart and her research is she&#8217;s really doing it right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I just wanna tell you, Beth, that I appreciate that. You&#8217;re one of the authors that I&#8217;ve met, similar to authors that I&#8217;ve met, who just have genuine hearts to get it right in the best way they can. Not because they&#8217;re trying to check boxes or police society or something, but because you genuinely want to tell, one, the the best story that you can entertaining, entertain your readers and respect them, and then respecting the cultures that you&#8217;re writing about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I just wanna give you a Yakoke Again, thank you for doing that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love hearing the amount of work you put into your books.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, thank you so much. And just for a little bit of context, I grew up in a household that celebrated other cultures in terms of music and food, and stories. My mom was handed a lot of native traditions from her grandmother. And my mother also lived in Mexico as a child. And then my father loved history and had studied Italian Reformation Renaissance history, and which is so interesting, and loved telling stories. And both of them were avid readers and storytellers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then I myself have lived abroad three times &#8212; in Quebec once and in Paris twice. And I&#8217;ve actually, I&#8217;ve been to the Middle East multiple times and North Africa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m a citizen of the world and I feel like we&#8217;re all part of the human family. And we all have such beautiful, interesting, challenging sometimes traditions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">SARAH ELISABETH SAWYER<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was gonna say that too, when people talk about you can only write your own culture, you have so many options to choose from. You don&#8217;t even have to go outside of your culture. You have so many wonderful things in your heritage. So I just thought that was a neat little tidbit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of course, we can write about all those different aspects, but you&#8217;re bringing all of that to your writing and to how you&#8217;re teaching authors. I just think that&#8217;s wonderful.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BETH BARANY<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it&#8217;s fascinating to talk to writers about their ancestry and help them see the diversity that exists already in their own families.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m deeply inspired by the past and then of course about where we could go as a humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thanks for listening everyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s it for part two of my conversation with Sarah Elisabeth Sawyer. Stay tuned for part three coming next week. See you then.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thanks for Playing!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you so much, everyone, for listening to my podcast. Your interest and feedback is so inspiring to me and helps me know that I&#8217;m helping you in some small way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So write long and prosper.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Are you stuck and overwhelmed by world-building? Then&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Are you stuck and overwhelmed by world-building?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Then check out my new World Building Workbook for Fiction Writers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Head over to HowToWriteTheFuture.com and sign up for yours today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2012061<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ABOUT BETH BARANY<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/BETH-BARANY_IMAGE_PODCAST-LOGO_HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-FUTURE_v04_200px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-25580 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/BETH-BARANY_IMAGE_PODCAST-LOGO_HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-FUTURE_v04_200px.png\" alt=\"Image of Beth Barany\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/BETH-BARANY_IMAGE_PODCAST-LOGO_HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-FUTURE_v04_200px.png 200w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/BETH-BARANY_IMAGE_PODCAST-LOGO_HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-FUTURE_v04_200px-80x80.png 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beth Barany teaches science fiction and fantasy novelists how to write, edit, and publish their books as a coach, teacher, consultant, and developmental editor. She\u2019s an award-winning fantasy and science fiction novelist and runs the podcast, \u201cHow To Write The Future.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Learn more about Beth Barany at these sites:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/author.bethbarany.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Author site<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \/\u00a0 <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bethbarany.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Coaching site<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \/ <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/baranyschooloffiction.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">School of Fiction<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \/ <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.writersfunzone.com\/blog\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Writer\u2019s Fun Zone blog<\/span><\/a><span 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