{"id":22985,"date":"2020-04-21T03:00:31","date_gmt":"2020-04-21T10:00:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?p=22985"},"modified":"2020-04-17T05:52:05","modified_gmt":"2020-04-17T12:52:05","slug":"editing-your-novel-what-kind-of-feedback-would-you-like-by-willow-woodford","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/21\/editing-your-novel-what-kind-of-feedback-would-you-like-by-willow-woodford\/","title":{"rendered":"Editing Your Novel: What Kind of Feedback Would You Like? by Willow Woodford"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Editing-Your-Novel-What-Kind-of-Feedback-Would-You-Like-by-Willow-Woodford.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-22990\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Editing-Your-Novel-What-Kind-of-Feedback-Would-You-Like-by-Willow-Woodford.png\" alt=\"Editing Your Novel: What Kind of Feedback Would You Like? by Willow Woodford\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Editing-Your-Novel-What-Kind-of-Feedback-Would-You-Like-by-Willow-Woodford.png 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Editing-Your-Novel-What-Kind-of-Feedback-Would-You-Like-by-Willow-Woodford-160x160.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Let\u2019s welcome back monthly columnist <a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/?s=willow+woodford\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Willow Woodford<\/a> as she shares with us: \u201cEditing Your Novel: What Kind of Feedback Would You Like?\u201d Enjoy!<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>It\u2019s a question asked in critique groups everywhere.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s usually met with blank stares, shoulder shrugs, and \u201ckitchen sink edits, throw it all at me.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your critique partners will be left wondering what to comment on. And their feedback will often leave you feeling overwhelmed and confused on how to apply what they told you. (<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m mostly talking about myself here.<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>So, let\u2019s talk about editing today.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">According to Reedsy, there are 9 types of editing; developmental, editorial, structural, copy editing, line editing, proofreading, fact checking, indexing, and formatting.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the end of this article I\u2019ll offer a brief explanation of each of them. For now, let\u2019s talk about your needs.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>A little while back I offered some thoughts about critique and how to accept it with grace.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today I\u2019m going to focus specifically on the many types of editing available and how they differ from each other. It\u2019s important to know the difference so you can ask for the right one no matter who offers your feedback.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>Feedback from a Critique Group\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_22986\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/writing-group.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22986\" class=\"wp-image-22986\" title=\"Writing Group\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/writing-group-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Writing Group\" width=\"200\" height=\"133\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/writing-group-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/writing-group.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-22986\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Writing group- Image by <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/users\/StartupStockPhotos-690514\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=593341\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">StartupStockPhotos<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=593341\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pixabay<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A critique group is usually a small group of friends who share work with each other and offer feedback to help you strengthen your writing. Critique groups are not just for beginners!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brandon Sanderson still participates in a critique group, and CS Lewis and JR Tolkien often discussed work with each other and their peers.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Your critique group is good for help with <i>developmental editing<\/i>, some <i>structural editing<\/i>, <i>pace <\/i>and <i>prose<\/i>.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Developmental and structural editing can be big picture issues, so if you want this from your critique partners remember to offer them an outline or expect to wait as they become familiar with your story, especially if it\u2019s long.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pacing is easier to manage in short passages and chapters. Though the general pacing of an entire novel will be hard to handle in a critique group, since you don\u2019t usually read the entire thing in one session. Again, a good, detailed outline can help, as long as it\u2019s accurate.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Prose is the best use of a critique group<\/strong>, besides general story ideas and development. <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/school.bethbarany.com\/p\/home\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beth Barany <\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">calls it massaging the words. That is, helping a passage, or bit of dialog be the best it can be. If you read a section and it feels flat to you, it will be a black hole for your reader, and you will lose them in it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>Feedback from Writing Coaches\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_22987\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/coach.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22987\" class=\"wp-image-22987\" title=\"Coach\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/coach-300x222.jpg\" alt=\"Coach\" width=\"200\" height=\"148\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/coach-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/coach.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-22987\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coach- Image by <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/users\/947051-947051\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=963810\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jan Steiner<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=963810\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pixabay<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A writing coach can help with the same issues as a critique group and offer more support in the area of developmental and structural editing. They will generally read longer sections of your manuscript at one go and be able to offer more feedback about those aspects.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>A coach can, and usually will, offer pacing and prose feedback.<\/strong> Especially the pacing of the entire manuscript.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Again, be prepared to offer them as accurate an outline as possible to help them stay focused on the big picture.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A coach can also offer copy editing and line editing, though I\u2019d hesitate to ask them for this. They may offer it out of habit, or just observation, and if you have a specific question, say who versus whom, they can probably answer it for you. But if you\u2019re paying a coach I\u2019d recommend focusing on developmental, structural, and prose and hiring an editor to do your copy editing later.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>Feedback from A Hired Editor\u00a0<\/b><\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_22988\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/editor.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22988\" class=\"wp-image-22988\" title=\"Editor\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/editor-300x153.jpg\" alt=\"Editor\" width=\"200\" height=\"102\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/editor-300x153.jpg 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/editor.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-22988\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Editor- Image by <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/users\/mohamed_hassan-5229782\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=3354848\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">mohamed Hassan<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=3354848\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pixabay<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A hired editor can do any of the editing defined at the end of this article, depending on their level of expertise and focus. Not all editors will do all types of editing so make sure you ask what an editor specializes in when you discuss working with them. They will also usually require the entire manuscript when you hire them, unless you make other arrangements.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The advantage to hiring an editor for developmental or structural editing is that they will see the big picture easily, since they are reading the entire manuscript in order, and perhaps in just a few days.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What kind of feedback would you like?\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_22989\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/discovery.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22989\" class=\"wp-image-22989\" title=\"Discovery\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/discovery-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Discovery\" width=\"200\" height=\"133\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/discovery-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/discovery.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-22989\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Discovery- Image by <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/photos\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=1209011\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Free-Photos<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/?utm_source=link-attribution&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=image&amp;utm_content=1209011\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pixabay<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Now you&#8217;re armed with what to ask for when you hit the critique group, your next coaching session, or hire an editor. What are you looking for?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">P.S. I find developmental and structural editing to be the most helpful, along with prose and pacing. Yes, I will definitely need copy editing and proofreading, but those don\u2019t trip me up when I\u2019m revising, I correct what I see and figure an editor will catch what I don\u2019t when the time comes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Types of Manuscript Editing<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Here are the types of editing according to <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.reedsy.com\/types-of-editing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Reedsy<\/a> in case you need definitions or a refresher.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Developmental Editing\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This type of editing offers feedback on the bones of your story, character motivation, plot development and narrative. A developmental edit will be returned with a report of what your editor thinks should be changed and your manuscript marked up with specific suggestions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Editorial Assessment<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is a lighter version of a developmental edit, generally for manuscripts that aren\u2019t developed enough for a developmental edit. It will be a report of thoughts and suggestions on how to better develop your story.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Structural Editing<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A structural edit is part of a developmental edit but can also be done alone. It will look at the structure of your manuscript, how you broke chapters up, if the suspense in your story works, and what you might add or delete to strengthen your manuscript.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Copy Editing\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A copy edit is one of the last processes a manuscript goes through. It polishes the text looking for spelling, grammar, and capitalization errors, word repetition, POV, and tense issues and inconsistencies such as character or setting descriptions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Line Editing<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Line editing is often confused with copy editing. They do have similarities in that they both look at the language of your manuscript, line editing will look specifically at your prose, the content, and flow of your words. It looks at style where copy editing looks at mechanics.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Proofreading<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Proofreading is the final stage of the editing process. After all the changes you can think of have been made, a proofreader will go through your manuscript and correct the minor misspellings that get overlooked by nearly everyone. This type of editing harkens back to the days of the printing press when each page was tiny metal letters set in a form. It had to be right or precious time and money was wasted to fix it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Fact Checking\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A fact check editor will go through your manuscript, note facts you\u2019ve quoted and check to be sure they are true. This is more applicable to nonfiction, but a fiction author might use it if they want certain parts of their story to be based on fact.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Indexing\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Indexing is more common with nonfiction than fiction but it does have its place in a work of fiction. It is exactly what it sounds like. An index editor makes an index of the important terms and concepts in your manuscript. (Note: I\u2019ve done this for a graduate paper and if you can afford it, hire an editor! And then thank me in your attributions.)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b>Formatting\u00a0<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is the final type of editing I\u2019ll cover. It isn\u2019t editing as we think of it though. Formatting prepares your manuscript to be pretty in the final book. It covers margins, chapter headings, table of contents, and page numbers. It is a must for any book with images in it, and highly recommended for all books as it will give your readers a book that is easy to read no matter if they read it on an e-reader or as a paperback.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<h2>ABOUT THE AUTHOR<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-22662\" title=\"Willow Woodford\" src=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Willow Woodford\" width=\"150\" height=\"100\" srcset=\"https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117-640x427.jpg 640w, https:\/\/writersfunzone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/IMG_2117.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Willow Woodford lives in her imagination, because it&#8217;s more interesting than the real world. When she isn&#8217;t dreaming up new stories, she likes to cook, hike, and cuddle with her chihuahua. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She reads voraciously, staying up far too late, and reading anywhere she can,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> including grocery lines, parking lots, and waiting rooms.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Her real-world counterpart, Ann Shannon, lives in New Jersey with her family and spends as much time as possible visiting her grandchildren on the west coast.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chat and follow Willow on Twitter: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WillowWoodford\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/WillowWoodford<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You want to be a better novelist but it can be hard to answer the question: what kind of feedback would you like? 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